This is yet another reason why we prefer value-added production over what I described as rip-and-ship production. If you build an upgrader or a refinery, it's an existing piece of industrial infrastructure. The jobs that are created in those kinds of plants are much more stable through the economic cycle. Whether it's a boom time or a bust time, the jobs remain. That's been our experience with our upgraders in Fort McMurray and our refineries in Edmonton. They ride out recessions, whereas on the extraction-only side, when there's a bust everyone loses their job.
That's why we're looking over the long term. If we want to maintain stable employment, if we want to keep those economic spinoffs running, it's in our best interest to move up the value chain rather than...and then go down.