I think we're very fortunate to have such excellent witnesses for this discussion today. It's an interesting one, although it seems to be somewhat futile.
Let me ask you, Mr. Edwards, what price...? I don't know how we would do it, but let's put aside for a moment the concern you have about the fact that it would take a decade really for Canada to be able to supply natural gas, for example, to Europe and mainly to Ukraine. What do you think the price would have to be before it would make economic sense? What price would we have to obtain in Ukraine for natural gas?