On the training, I would add very specifically that we train people on the maintenance side to better operate, on the design side to better design, and on the structural side to implement solutions, so it's very technical. On this, we also work with NRCan on the federal buildings initiative. It changed its name recently, but that's always the acronym I remember, FBI, because everybody laughs about it when I go to the U.S.
The federal buildings initiative works out of performance contracting. It's essentially the government launching tenders for entrepreneurs to come in, design, implement and guarantee the results over a period of five to 10 years. For sure the results happen, because they only get paid if the results happen and are demonstrated.
The challenge that you have when you talk about measuring—