Thanks to all of you for coming here. It's been very interesting.
I'll start with you, Mr. Fogwill, and at a sort of high elevation. You talked about this fragmentation of effort among the federal government, the provincial government, the utilities and the municipalities, and then you mentioned the consistency of funding. We have the pan-Canadian framework, and I don't know if it was trying to sort that out.
In terms of energy efficiency, one thing I've been looking at is the retrofit program. You might have something to say on this as well. We had a federal retrofit program for homes. You may disagree that it had a big impact. The big impacts were, as you were saying, on industry, but that program had a great leveraging of funds for the government. People spent a lot of money. As you said, it was money that was spent in the communities. That money stayed in Canada in those local communities. Yet in the pan-Canadian framework, it was sort of put down to the provinces. Some provinces have taken it up. Ontario just got rid of theirs, unfortunately.
I'm just wondering if you could comment on advice for us and the Canadian government. What should the federal government be doing to help with this problem of fragmentation of effort? Should the federal government be trying to do all that it can by itself, just to make that effort more consistent across the country? Should it be investing in the long term and not pulling the plug halfway through a program? Do you have some advice at that kind of high level for the federal government?