Certainly. Yes, we don't hire exclusively from programs like that out of UBC and BCIT, but I actually would say the majority of our staff do come through those programs. We tend to hire new graduates for the simple reason that there are not a lot of people with experience in the job market who have the right kind of experience that we're looking for.
I would say, though, that the greatest need is at the trades level, and that is where we often find there's a skills gap. I would say the other aspect is the building operators, the staff who are in the buildings responsible for day-to-day operations. Very often, they will have a trades background, sometimes even a janitorial background. They're expected to come into a modern building with a computerized control system with maybe embedded data analytics, and they simply don't have the skills needed to manage those systems effectively.
Again I'll point to BCIT. It has launched some programs around these sophisticated systems. The British Columbia Institute of Technology does a lot of trades training. They have programs around building control systems. Some of our staff instruct in the course and help teach the next generation of technicians how to use these systems. But that's one program, and we probably need a dozen or more programs like that across the country.