I want to clarify my comments on the maturity level.
I was intending to say that we're reaching that level of maturity where we don't need the prescriptive programs that we've had in the past. You're seeing a customer awareness of some of the opportunities that are there, and they want more choice in terms of getting those results. As we reach that, I think we can continue to look at both the number of programs and the level of investment that are required.
I'm not suggesting that we should exit this business at this point in time. I'm suggesting that we can continue to look at this business and try to drive down costs. In particular, try to drive down some of those costs associated with administering this program.
You mentioned Loblaw. Mark Schembri is one of the brightest minds in this. Their organization has done a heck of a lot to become more energy efficient. Mark doesn't need that level of support. He knows what they can do and he has been able to do that. That's what I mean with respect to that level of maturity.
I also think that on the energy manager program...is that driving that awareness? While there are some businesses that may be too small to have an energy manager on their own, as they work with others in that business, they may be able to take advantage of an energy manager who would actually be applied to that sector and who could look for opportunities to improve their efficiency.