I think if municipalities through their energy providers have been able to.... They've had a number of incentives. Whether lighting retrofits, chiller retrofits, pump retrofits, there is a whole bunch of different retrofits that help the small, medium and even large companies to reduce the payback on the retrofits that they're doing within their facilities. I think that has certainly helped. It has spurred suppliers to go out and sell the program on behalf of the municipalities, rather than the municipality having to put a whole bunch of money into marketing it.
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