That's exactly what the Canada Mining Innovation Council is doing. It's working with suppliers and with other service providers to help generate the kinds of solutions we need, whether those be electric vehicles or new water treatment systems. It's things that can help transform. There's a project under way to look at better techniques for grinding rock that would save huge amounts of energy and reduce costs and emissions.
We need to separate in our minds the difference between R and D and innovation, because the two are often conflated. R and D is long-term. It's the new idea that could take 20 years to materialize. Innovation is about looking at what already exists and adapting it to a new sector or a new application. That's what CMIC is focusing on, that last piece that can truly be transformative.
We have learned that we need to collaborate more as a sector, and in doing so we could really benefit from the federal government's support for this transformation exercise that we're on now with the Canada Mining Innovation Council.