I appreciate what Mr. Pakalnis said about not having to go cold turkey and about having some great innovations. We've heard from both of you that they're on the horizon, but we still need these resources to get us to that horizon. I don't see why we have to put punitive taxes on the existing industry now and still pretend that we're not doing innovation and research. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Mr. McDougall, you said in your presentation that you would look at options to facilitate research and innovation other than a carbon tax. We have other programs in place: flow-through shares, a mining exploration tax credit. What would be some options other than a carbon tax? Would it be tax incentives? What would be some options other than a carbon tax that in your opinion would achieve the same goal but not be a punitive tax on the industry?