As it relates to broad energy R and D, we put significant efforts around renewable, whether it's on the smart grid or whether it's on the integration of renewables within the grid, which is a key challenge for utilities around the country. There's also developing our biomass. We have a very large amount of biomass coming from out of agricultural production or forestry, which ought to be put to good use. All of those are important drivers from a broad energy R and D perspective.
As it relates directly to oil and gas, as I referenced before, one of the most promising avenues is to look at the use of those renewable resources to power the extractive industries. There have been lots of efforts to look into the use of wind power in particular, and solar and geothermal, which could be attractive options. We do a significant amount of research out of our own laboratories in the use of bioenergy and bioproducts, with FPInnovations and the industry directly. This is still nascent, to be clear, but it could have nice potential for both industries to generate value for the forest producers and also a chance to green the oil and gas activities.
We still are some years away from getting some of those bioproducts into the mix, but we think it's well worth investing our efforts into.