That's what I meant, but it shows the significant impact of what nuclear does.
As I think we've all said, energy is a provincial issue, and for the most part—not all but for the most part—each province has been fairly concerned about providing energy for their own population. We're trying to work around that.
Going into the future and looking ahead—and I think some of the questions just before us touched on this—what other, cost-effective solutions are we looking at for the generation of energy? Here in Ontario we have had the Green Energy Act, and I think it was touched on also, which has caused us to have some of the highest energy prices in North America.
It has driven out manufacturing. It has pitted community against community. In my area we've had wind turbines that community members have fought against tooth and nail because local consultation was basically torn right out of the Green Energy Act when it was written. It went over the Oak Ridges Moraine, which was an environmentally sensitive area. and just basically steamrolled all local consultations.
Now we have solar panels going up that are heavily subsidized like the wind turbines, and they are being placed, in some cases, on good farmland, and we're seeing family farms, because of the benefits of the subsidies.... Now, at some point, and I think we are breaching that point, the subsidies are being toned down, because the province just can't afford them and neither can the population.
I was in Massachusetts over the summer, and they're having the same problem. The issue with their subsidies and their solar and wind turbines is that their grant program was put on hold and then reduced, just like Ontario's, because their population couldn't afford it and their government couldn't afford it.
How do we move forward? What are the most cost-effective ways of moving forward by which we can work on these interties without crippling the public and the provincial purse?
I open the floor to anyone who wants to answer.