It's going to take a lot.
I think that when you look at where we are placed geographically in Canada, at where Alberta is placed, and at the abundance of fossil fuels that we have had the benefit of being able to use for the past many decades now, you can see that as the world shifts to a cleaner future, both Alberta and Saskatchewan have to move relatively quickly to move off fossil fuels, or to reduce emissions in some way, shape, or form.
I think the expense that we in the electricity sector see relative to other utilities in Canada is going to be significantly higher. Because we're paying relatively much, much more in order to move by the year 2030 to that cleaner emissions environment that has been directed, there should be an opportunity, I think, to leverage some federal funds if the federal direction is to clean up emissions on coal-fired generating stations, on conventional coal. We either move to gas or we move to carbon capture. Also, if there's another opportunity to import hydro to help reduce emissions and move to an even cleaner grid faster, I think that incentivizing the western provinces that have the high fossil fuels component is a realistic option that should be looked at and potentially exercised.
As I've said, between now and 2030, there will be 1,650 megawatts of conventional coal potentially retired. At the same time, we are also building a combined cycle natural gas facility. Potentially in the 2020s we would have to build one or two more combined cycle natural gas facilities in order to keep up with our baseload requirements, but also in order to follow the wind because of the intermittency of wind and solar. The combination of gas and wind still allows some emissions into the environment. If the interest is in taking advantage of Canadian opportunities to help Saskatchewan, or where other provinces help Alberta, then I would suggest that having a federal incentive to help us do that would be very welcome.