Maybe I can speak for sawmills. In our sawmill division, we operate sawmills, but we also have two value-added facilities. When we compare wages, they're very similar. Most of our plants are unionized. Wages for a labourer, an operator, or a loader operator are basically the same, whether they work in the sawmill industry, primary transformation, or secondary transformation.
In terms of jobs created, yes, it's true that the second manufacturing tends to be more labour intense. It's a good thing short term. My humble opinion here is that, long term, if we want to be competitive in the forest product second manufacturing sector, we need to automize our remanufacturing plants so we can keep producing with a higher yield and also be cost-competitive in that business. Otherwise, it'll become very difficult to export our products because the labour costs to produce the product will be too high.