The last thing is district heating in Europe. Just about every pulp mill supplies predominantly all of the heating energy for municipalities that are around them. That has not taken hold in Canada. That would require a lot of federal intervention, because it's a very costly infrastructure program. That's an opportunity that we believe would really add value to the primary manufacturers and then certainly add value down through the stream, the value chain.
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