You should know I'm going to be talking to Michael next Tuesday. Michael is one of a very few extremely talented architects who are very well-equipped to do that, but Michael didn't learn that at Cornell. He learned it in the firms he was at. Architects are not equipped, and you can ask him. He didn't learn that in school, and that's my point. We need to teach them at the beginning so that when they get into a project and they're in a position where they're determining what the material is, they at least have an understanding. If you are an engineer who has a specialty in wood, there are no shortages of jobs. Every graduate from the UNBC program got a job.
There is a shortage of engineers who understand wood, and we deal with architects and engineers all day. Michael is an elite, extremely competent, talented guy, and he's a friend of mine, and I'll be talking to him on Monday.