I touched on that a little earlier. When people want to compare building a mass timber building or a wood building with steel or concrete, they will focus on the cost of the material. At the end of the day, as long as the general contractor or the owner's rep or however that building is being subbed out, the construction team understands that they're going to save considerable time building in mass timber. I think we can compete head to head.
We're getting better and better at pulling costs out of the building. The systems, the wood-to-wood connections, are getting better. The building designs are better now. We're at a point now, I believe, that on a mass timber basis we could compete with concrete just about anywhere.