Unfortunately, there are a whole bunch of reasons. The first is obvious from the presentation that you got earlier, prior to this one. These guys, FPI, are doing phenomenal work. They are doing it largely because governments, provincial and federal, are helping them. I forget who it was, but there was somebody who used to be at one of the pulp companies mentioned earlier. I include them, and I include MacMillan Bloedel from the west coast. They used to do amazing things with their research and development of the products. Frankly, I think it died before the 2008-09 crisis. It was long before then that they quit doing that. It's a shame, because B.C. and Canada were pioneering a whole bunch of things, but it all just went away.
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