Thank you very much, Chair.
Thank you, everyone, for being here today. Thank you again, Ms. Cobden. It's great to see you again.
Just to clarify, Monsieur Hébert, unless I heard this incorrectly through the translation, no, government programs aren't what we're all about. Competition spurs innovation, not applications to government to decide who will win, who will lose, who will succeed, and who will fade away. Private sector investment is where we like to see it.
At the last meeting we heard that Domtar, I believe, got $18 million in taxpayer dollars. It was a grant. I'm a Conservative and of Dutch background so I thought I was going to hyperventilate. I would prefer more private sector investment or, as we heard last time, maybe a tax credit to give companies more freedom to invest their dollars wisely and pick which projects have the best chance of succeeding.
I'll start with you, Mr. Badcock. I'm very sorry.