Yes, or subsidies to energy, where 75% of those subsidies went to wind power, and we know how that worked out for Ontario so far.
Marc, that was for you.
Rather than pitting sector versus sector—and I know it's hard for both of you to answer this question—we want all of them to thrive. When you're dealing with these new projects like lignin—and I don't know if you two know this—what level of subsidy is the government providing to develop that product?