Sure.
Probably about 10 years ago we decided we wanted to expand our plant. We saw market opportunities in Canada and elsewhere. We engaged with a consultant to help us with the process of getting a building permit. In Ottawa that's a very difficult thing to do.
We're in the forest industry. We understand trees, but I had to do a tree study, for instance, and we had to get a book written on what was a farmer's field 15 or 20 years ago. It had a few poplars on it, so we had to get an arborist to measure each tree and write a little description about it and so on. Things like that tend to irritate you.
We have more land out there now, and we have partners who want us to expand again. I'm trying to find the energy to get up and do that again. As a businessman, I often think it would be nice if governments were a little more innovative. I've lived in Ottawa for my whole life and I love the place, but I wish the City of Ottawa was a little bit more proactive in helping businesses grow and develop. Instead of having to go to eight different departments in the City of Ottawa to try and get a permit, they would have someone who would guide you through that process.
I could go on about the Ministry of the Environment for our dust collection system and so on, and how you just get lost in a big pile in Toronto somewhere. It's a real struggle. Very many companies would have more money, time, and energy to innovate if they didn't have to spend a lot of time on these things while they're trying to grow.
I fully understand the need to grow in a manner that respects the environment, etc., but there have to be easier ways to do it.