Yes, we know that there is high willingness. For example, some of our colleagues at other organizations in Toronto were part of some of the tower programs there, looking at educating tenants about the importance of reducing energy not only for their own comfort but for climate change. The willingness to participate was very high.
We want to make sure there aren't barriers to that participation. Because some types of energy sources end up being priced based on the pool of remaining users, if low-income consumers are left out of the climate mitigation side of the ledger, they're using more than they ought to and then they're paying more of the remaining electricity or whatever it is. We need to make sure that there aren't these indirect inequities as well.
Yes, there is high willingness. There's no access to capital without special programs. That's something we've advocated for repeatedly in policy work at the Ontario Energy Board, making sure that as the programs, the latest exciting green widget, become available, there's also access to those programs by low-income consumers.