Certainly I think they view the higher prices that the duties cause to be to their benefit. Higher prices in the States means they benefit as companies selling softwood lumber. As was mentioned in our opening statement, the loser in this in the U.S., in any event, is the U.S. consumer who is trying to buy a house, build a house, or do renovations. They are the ones who are going to indirectly pay this 20% premium being placed on these building products.
That's why the National Association of Home Builders in the U.S. has repeatedly made representations to the U.S. administration on this point, indicating that the tariffs are increasing the price of homes in the U.S., pricing hundreds of thousands of people out of the housing market. That's the unfortunate side effect of this, but of course, the lumber industry there is interested in having those higher prices, having that disruption.
It's only, again, through the success of litigation, where through the litigation we were able to curtail the ability of the U.S. Department of Commerce to impose those duties, that we are eventually able to convince the U.S. industry that it's in their interest to return to the table.