Yes, absolutely.
With the high stumpage rates, the 75% stumpage return is through a forest tenure opportunity agreement. It was provided through the Province of British Columbia under the foundation agreement that was awarded to the first nation clients.
Yes, it's great to see the stumpage revenues, but that stumpage revenue is based on logging activity by the first nation band. The problem is that you're kind of in a headway here with high stumpage. The forestry companies aren't logging right now because it's too high a cost and they're not going to get any net returns or revenue, but then the other aspect you have to look at is that with high stumpage, although you're going to to see a higher return to the nation itself; your first nation forestry companies are going to suffer for it.
I may be able to expand a bit, too, on your question for Mr. Orr. There is pricing for the biofuels. It's usually 25ยข for a cubic metre; however, it comes down to the cost of what they pay for that fibre. You have to include logging, hauling and all the engineering and silviculture costs into that, and usually biofuels typically aren't paying enough to get that wood out of the forest land base.