The first nations licensee holders and tenure holders are basically market loggers and don't have a mill or anything like that, whereas licensees can pay that higher stumpage and see profits at the end when they throw that lumber out into the open market at $900 to $1,000 a thousand.
When it comes down to first nations, they're market loggers. They don't see that return. They're seeing a portion at the front end, so they're losing out on that aspect of things with the higher stumpage rates. We've gone from $30 a cubic metre to $80 to $85 a cubic metre here in this first quarter of 2021.