Evidence of meeting #18 for Natural Resources in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was mineral.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Roderick G. Eggert  Professor, Colorado School of Mines, As an Individual
Raphael J. Heffron  Professor, Global Energy Law and Sustainability, Jean Monnet Professor in the Just Transition, University of Dundee, As an Individual
Jeffrey B. Kucharski  Professor, Royal Roads University, As an Individual
Karim Zaghib  Strategic Advisor, Investissement Québec
Jovette Godbout  Executive Director, Research Institute of Mines and the Environment
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Hilary Jane Powell

2:40 p.m.

Conservative

Shannon Stubbs Conservative Lakeland, AB

I have also experienced that and the challenge it is in the past pandemic year. Thank you for reminding me of that. I did speak to the minister personally about it when it happened.

It is still the case though, now, that it is the minister's responsibility to come to this committee at his earliest and next opportunity. I think there's good reason for it. Colleagues, I'm sure that we all agree. If this is still the same kind of committee as it was before where we all worked together in the mutual and best interests of the whole country, then I know we'd all agree that that this sector is crucial for Canada's economic recovery.

The challenge is that there's no shortage of crises that remain in the sector, with the loss of $200 billion in oil and gas projects and over 200,000 energy workers have lost their jobs. Included within that are innovation, clean tech and brain drain, as mentioned by our witnesses earlier. Billions of dollars in dozens of indigenous agreements on those projects have been lost at the same time.

The TMX has been over-budget and behind schedule; the Keystone XL cancelled; Line 5 threatened, despite the purported close relationship between the PM and the new administration; and there's the death of the Kitimat LNG project, which would have been crucial to reducing emissions and to Canada's role in the world. There is $20 billion worth of projects, dozens of private sector projects, that are sitting in the impact assessment review right now, either in the early stages or literally just waiting for a cabinet decision.

I just want to make the argument that, given the presence of ministers past at this committee—and thank you Chair for the context—and given all the serious concerns facing this sector, which is so crucial to the entire country, I urge members of the committee to support the motion tabled by my colleague from Cypress Hills—Grasslands.

2:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Thank you, Ms. Stubbs.

I realize that you weren't aware of that. That's why I interrupted you, to correct the record. This minister has, like previous ministers, always been willing to come and has come every time he's been invited. He will continue to do that. We all on this committee agree that it's important, as you pointed out.

Mr. Lefebvre is our next speaker. I think that what he's about to say will probably confirm that.

Mr. Lefebvre, the floor is yours.

2:45 p.m.

Liberal

Paul Lefebvre Liberal Sudbury, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Once again, the minister is happy to appear before the committee. The only request I make is that, as the mains need to be reported before May 31, the minister has requested that he come on May 28. That is the date.

As you know, when we invite a minister, it's up to their calendar. It's up to them to decide which date—

2:45 p.m.

Liberal

Bryan May Liberal Cambridge, ON

I'm sorry, Mr. Chair. I've got to interrupt.

2:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Go ahead.

2:45 p.m.

Liberal

Bryan May Liberal Cambridge, ON

I'm sorry. I'm getting the French translation, not the English. I think there might be a technical issue.

2:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

I saw your hand up. I'm not having the same problem, but maybe our translators can just check to make sure the system is right.

2:45 p.m.

Liberal

Bryan May Liberal Cambridge, ON

I'm hearing you now in English, which is great.

2:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Okay.

2:45 p.m.

Liberal

Paul Lefebvre Liberal Sudbury, ON

Do you want me to—

2:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Carry on.

2:45 p.m.

Liberal

Paul Lefebvre Liberal Sudbury, ON

The minister, once again, after being invited is more than happy to appear before the committee. He will appear. I know the request is for May 14. He asked that we extend that to May 28, which would allow him the time he needs to be here before we are able to report the mains in the House. That's my only intervention. Hopefully, we can all support that and he will be happy to appear.

2:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Thanks.

Mr. Lloyd and Mr. Cannings both have their hand up. You're proposing to adopt the motion, but also you're proposing an amendment that the date of May 14 be changed to May 28.

2:45 p.m.

Liberal

Paul Lefebvre Liberal Sudbury, ON

As you know, Mr. Chair, whenever we request or ask for a minister to appear before committee, we can't fix the date for him or her. They offer a date they're available, and so that's the date he is available.

2:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

That being the case, we'll have to discuss the amendment.

We move to Mr. Lloyd.

Do you have any points you would like to make on Mr. Lefebvre's proposed amendment?

2:45 p.m.

Conservative

Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB

Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

May 14 is more than six weeks from now. It's currently March 26. I think six weeks for the minister to prepare to come to committee for two hours is more than enough time. I know the minister's quite busy, but we're not doing a lot of travelling right now. We all know that there's not a lot of travelling going on. Frankly, the minister's in the Atlantic bubble. I just don't see the reason why the minister isn't able to clear his schedule and why we're being asked to accept an amendment for a ludicrously late date of May 28. Frankly, that only gives us three days before the main estimates have to be brought up. I oppose this amendment.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

2:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Mr. Cannings, you're next.

Just on scheduling so that we're all clear, I took a look at the calendar, Mr. Lloyd. It's 14 days, but it's actually one meeting, because the following week we're not sitting and then there's a long weekend in there as well. The 28th is actually the next meeting after the 14th.

2:45 p.m.

Liberal

Paul Lefebvre Liberal Sudbury, ON

Exactly, it's our next meeting. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

2:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

That's the reason.

I still would be able to report on the estimates in the House, as I did earlier this week. This week I did it the same day that we dealt with them.

Over to you, Mr. Cannings.

2:45 p.m.

NDP

Richard Cannings NDP South Okanagan—West Kootenay, BC

I just want to say that I'll be supporting this motion and the amendment too. I know this is the standard way ministers respond to requests. They provide a date. It is a bit tight with that requirement around the main estimates, but I'm willing to go along with that. I would also back what you said about the minister's attendance. We've also had a pandemic, so this committee hasn't really been sitting as much as it did in normal years. I've found the minister very approachable and open to engagement outside of committee time. I would just like to make those comments.

I really think that it would be very good to hear from him again. A lot of things will have happened in those two months. We'll have had a budget finally. We'll have the main estimates to talk about. I support both the motion and the amendment.

2:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

Okay. Thank you.

Mr. Lefebvre and Mr. Lloyd have their hands up. I'm assuming that's because they didn't take them down.

2:50 p.m.

Conservative

Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB

That was my old hand.

2:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

That's your old hand? Okay. Thank you.

Why don't we vote on the amendment now if nobody else who wants to speak to it?

Madam Clerk, can we have a vote, please?

2:50 p.m.

The Clerk of the Committee Ms. Hilary Jane Powell

We are voting on the amendment for the date to change:

That the committee invite the Minister of Natural Resources and officials to appear to consider the Main Estimates 2021-22 for a minimum of two hours, at their earliest convenience, but no later than Friday, May 28, 2021.

2:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal James Maloney

The only thing that's changing is that the 14th becomes the 28th for the purposes of this vote.

(Amendment agreed to: yeas 11; nays 0)

The amendment passes. lf there's any further discussion on the motion as amended, we can do that now. If not, we can move to deal with the motion. I'm going to take a leap of faith, based on the vote on the amendment, and assume that the voting outcome on the motion will be the same.

Maybe we can do this by a show of thumbs to save time. Is everybody in favour of the motion as amended?

(Motion as amended agreed to)

Thanks, all of you. That was easy.

I'm now going to suspend while we go in camera. In the email that everybody received earlier today, there will be a second link there to log in. I will see everybody momentarily. Thank you.

[Proceedings continue in camera]