I will phrase it by saying that 75% of our energy today is derived from fossil fuels without any carbon management. It is a huge challenge to start moving that to clean alternatives. We need them all. We need renewable natural gas. We need hydrogen. We need clean power. If you look at the studies that say how much it is going to take of each of those, there are going to be debates about whether it's going to be this much for that one or that much for that one. We're going to need them all. You don't get to pick. Sorry. We need to get them all in place and we need to find support mechanisms that allow us to build out all of these clean fuel alternatives if we have a hope of getting ourselves to our targets for 2030 and for 2050.
I'm not going to say that you need renewable natural gas or hydrogen. You need them both. You need clean power. You need batteries. You need fuel cells. I would say the challenge for us is that we do need to be able to find ways to move them all forward. Yes, they should be technology neutral. Yes, they should support each other. On the other hand, we need to make sure they are all advanced, so there needs to be some targeted research on renewable natural gas. There needs to be some targeted research on hydrogen if we're going to have a hope of getting to where we all want to get to.