In terms of finalizing the softwood lumber agreement—and to address the comments of my counterpart Mr. Roberts, you're right, it's not going away—it's to the point that there are pundits and commentators who now, I believe accurately, characterize the billions in dollars of duties as a dividend for those southern producers who have so much influence in Washington.
I take affront at their taking revenue from our country and our industry and classifying it as a dividend.
That aside, and to your question, the solid wood sector is the basis. It is not going away. Has it eroded somewhat? Yes. Does it evolve? It does, obviously.
That solid wood sector base needs to be there, however; they need to have that base whereby 65% to 68% of our products go into the U.S. This needs to happen, or else we don't have the residual products that the whole industry relies upon.
To your point about the next generation of value-added products, the cross-laminated timber or CLT and mass timber constitute a massive market. We have members in Penticton in a company called Structurlam, which employs almost 300 members—I think it's 275 now—in Penticton and is still looking for more workers, because the product is labour-intensive, but the demand for it is strong.