To help heal your pride, Mr. Simard, as you mentioned, the Université du Québec à Chicoutimi does indeed offer a perfectly fine graduate program in wood construction. However, it's really intended for very specialized, dedicated and focused professionals, whereas we need it to be normal to learn about wood, just as it is normal to learn about steel or concrete. We need your example to create a ripple effect.
In terms of the decision-making processes leading to construction using wood, as long as partial criteria are established—as we tiptoe around the issue—things become complex, lengthy, onerous and costly. It works well when private clients realize that wood does a better job and they dispense with all other comparisons. They have to specify at the outset that they want wood. Then competitors in the wood market will submit competitive bids.
Those are the circumstances that make projects quick, effective and completed within budget. That's where the Government of Canada clearly has the potential to make a difference. If it wants specific results, it must take specific action.
The education about the suitability of the material that my colleague Mr. Kalesnikoff was referring to will no longer be a debate or a rhetorical argument. We will have facts and figures. At that point, we will be able to move forward and build on a solid base.