To broaden the answer then, I've heard from some of my colleagues in other parts of the industry that they are having issues. I actually just joined the standing committee with BC Wood in talking about a plan on how we're going to put in training for different types of roles throughout the province. It is not an easy thing to add to a very complex business when it comes to value added. It's not easy to get them up and running and working when there are so many challenges that come with it. But I do believe there's going to be a need for supporting training.
What, unfortunately, I have also seen is that when we are focused on that, we need to make sure that we're hitting the mark. A lot of times I've been on other committees where we formed an educational product that really doesn't hit the mark with industry. The people who work in government or work in that side of the industry, really want to see it succeed. If industry doesn't participate, that's what they need to look at to make sure they are hitting the mark. We have to hit the mark with the industry, so we're hitting the right people.
I will give you an example. When I mentioned our value-added facility—we put in a moulder back in 2000—there still isn't in my opinion enough expertise around moulders. We can get to the 80% level where we can run a moulder, which is very important in any finishing products. We can run a moulder up to the 80% level, but we hired a guy hired who, when he walked out of the filing room, could hear that there was something wrong with that machine. That expertise we do not have.