I think it would be important to get clarity from CAPP as to whether it's a refusal to attend at all or it was just this meeting. I agree with MP Angus on that point. There's a real difference between being available on a specific date and a refusal to participate in the study. I would also suggest that we should circle back with Pathways to confirm that they are actually refusing to participate in the study at all, so we can consider our next steps.