Natural Resources Committee on Nov. 4th, 2024

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

Oh, oh!

[Chrystia Freeland, Liberal, University—Rosedale, ON]

No, seriously; it's actually true.

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

Okay. Sorry. The last thing I want to do is tear down a national institution that's giving 52% per barrel to Cenovus.

[Chrystia Freeland, Liberal, University—Rosedale, ON]

That's good; no, but it's actually important. There's a case right now—

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

I have a final question before we go too far down the rabbit hole.

It cost us $34 billion. Are you going to get that money back, or are you going to strike the debt as some kind of national reconciliation, fighting Putin, saving the planet initiative? Are we getting our $34 billion back? How are we going to get it back if we're not getting 100% of the tolls?

[Chrystia Freeland, Liberal, University—Rosedale, ON]

First of all, Mr. Angus, I object very strongly to a mocking reference to fighting Vladimir Putin. He is the biggest menace to global security right now.

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

That has nothing to do with bitumen coming down the pipe.

[Chrystia Freeland, Liberal, University—Rosedale, ON]

No, but you threw that—

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

This is what you brought into this.

[Chrystia Freeland, Liberal, University—Rosedale, ON]

—into your question, okay?

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

This what you brought into this whole conversation.

[Chrystia Freeland, Liberal, University—Rosedale, ON]

Because it's relevant.

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

Are we getting our $34 billion back—

[Chrystia Freeland, Liberal, University—Rosedale, ON]

Because it's relevant—

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

—at the tolls?

[Chrystia Freeland, Liberal, University—Rosedale, ON]

—and I didn't say it mockingly.

In terms of the actual value, let me be categorical: I am very confident that Canadians will get a good deal on this. They already are, and they will.

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

A good deal.... Will we get the $34 billion back?

[Chrystia Freeland, Liberal, University—Rosedale, ON]

I'm very confident we will, yes.

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

Thank you very much.

[The Chair, Liberal, George Chahal]

Time's up. Thank you.

We'll now go to Mr. Hallan for five minutes.

You have five minutes, sir. The floor is yours.

[Jasraj Singh Hallan, Conservative, Calgary Forest Lawn, AB]

Thanks, Chair.

Minister Freeland, how many Canadian jobs will be lost with your job-killing oil and gas cap?

[Chrystia Freeland, Liberal, University—Rosedale, ON]

I was under the clearly mistaken impression that we were here to talk about the TMX pipeline, a pipeline that we got built and the Conservative government didn't, and—

[Jasraj Singh Hallan, Conservative, Calgary Forest Lawn, AB]

It's very fair that a minister comes to committee.... We're open to sharing and can ask whatever we like, especially in on Canadian natural resources.

[Chrystia Freeland, Liberal, University—Rosedale, ON]

—since we're talking about jobs, I'm glad to point out that 35,000 jobs were created during the building of the pipeline, and that's great.

[Jasraj Singh Hallan, Conservative, Calgary Forest Lawn, AB]

How many jobs will be lost with the emissions cap? I just need the number, Minister.