Natural Resources Committee on Sept. 22nd, 2022

[The Chair, Liberal, John Aldag]

We have a dilatory motion—

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

Mr. Chair, I requested the right to a roll call vote. I was saying it while it was going on. I request a roll call vote. Mr. Chair, you're completely ignoring the rules.

[Francesco Sorbara, Liberal, Vaughan—Woodbridge, ON]

I move we adjourn debate on the motion, Mr. Chair.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

Mr. Chair, you're completely ignoring the rules. I want to hear from the clerk on this. You're completely ignoring the rules. You can't just pretend the rules don't honour it. The rules establish that you can request a roll call vote. The rules establish that you can challenge the chair—

[The Chair, Liberal, John Aldag]

We're going to take a five-minute break. I'm suspending right now while I consult for a moment with the clerk. I'm setting the clock for five minutes and I would suggest to everybody to go stretch your legs and I'll reconvene in five minutes.

Thank you very much.

[The Chair, Liberal, John Aldag]

Our five-minute recess, or break, or whatever you want to call it, is up. I will ask everybody to take their seats.

When we left off, we had a challenge to the chair. A new speaking order was presented. It was voted on and it was passed, so that is concluded.

The floor has now gone to Mr. Sorbara, who made a motion, as things were deteriorating, to adjourn debate.

That's where we are in the order of business today. I'm going to—

[Greg McLean, Conservative, Calgary Centre, AB]

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

[The Chair, Liberal, John Aldag]

—call the question on adjourning debate.

Mr. McLean, I will hear your point of order.

[Greg McLean, Conservative, Calgary Centre, AB]

I'm participating virtually, which is part of this current Parliament, if you recall. The point of order is that I don't know what you were calling the vote on. As you can see, I didn't vote. It's sort of like, “What's the vote that's going on here right now? Is it the challenge to the challenge? Is it the challenge?”

We have no idea what you were voting on if we're participating on screen. It was complete mayhem. Mr. Chair, you've lost control of this meeting—

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

I have a point of order, Chair.

[Greg McLean, Conservative, Calgary Centre, AB]

That is part of what we need to get. Can we get back to the point where we're actually voting on something?

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

On a point of order—

[Greg McLean, Conservative, Calgary Centre, AB]

What we're voting on, I think—

[Charlie Angus, NDP, Timmins—James Bay, ON]

The vote happened.

[The Chair, Liberal, John Aldag]

The vote was taken. The fact that people were not muting their microphones and listening—

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

I would like to speak to the point of order as well.

[Greg McLean, Conservative, Calgary Centre, AB]

Mr. Chair, as I say, that was not a vote, because I was asking in the middle of the vote, “What's the vote on?” You were just rushing ahead as if nothing was going on in your head. You weren't paying attention to what was happening with the committee members. You have to respond to the room, Mr. Chair.

[The Chair, Liberal, John Aldag]

I explained what the vote was. People were not listening.

[Greg McLean, Conservative, Calgary Centre, AB]

Oh, people were not listening.

[The Chair, Liberal, John Aldag]

You need to take some responsibility for not listening when the chair is speaking. Everybody needs to take some responsibility. I explained multiple times what the vote was. It was the reordering of the speaking order.

We voted. It's done. Now we're into the next order of business, which is to adjourn debate.

[Greg McLean, Conservative, Calgary Centre, AB]

Well, I disagree. I'm participating online and—

[The Chair, Liberal, John Aldag]

That's a dilatory motion, so I'm going to call the vote on it.

All in favour on adjourning debate?

[Greg McLean, Conservative, Calgary Centre, AB]

I ask for a—

[The Chair, Liberal, John Aldag]

You're out of order, Mr. McLean.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

I would like to speak to the same point of order, Mr. Chair—