Last week, I believe, we had Calvin Helin here, who is certainly a great advocate for his community. Basically, what he indicated was that they're tired of the eco-colonialism that is going on and different groups saying, “We know what is best for you. We're going to be there to help you. We're going to make sure you do it the right way, which is our way.” However, their expertise is saying, “Let's move forward. We know this is a global problem. We know this is a global concern. We are there with the skills to move it forward.”
There's always this other story that comes back to say, “Maybe we'll sell TMX to some indigenous group.” Unless you're going to sell it for $21 billion or whatever it happens to be when the final sum is there, there's going to be another group that says, “You just got through subsidizing this enterprise that has now bought TMX.” There's never an end, and that's the problem any time there is a government that decides it's going to get engaged in major projects like this. I'm concerned about what the future will be.
To go back to what I mentioned earlier to the minister, we see what is happening in Europe. We can always talk about how, yes, they would like to have some hydrogen and they would like to see us progress. The fact that we've cut ourselves off at the knees and we're not there to help them now...you can't undo that.
The Europeans' industry is falling apart. There are farmers who are being told, if they have three greenhouses, to pick which one they're going to keep. That's going to encourage a lot of difficult decisions—