That's no problem. I'll go over to the gentleman from Cranbrook in British Columbia.
Jeff, in terms of the United Steelworkers Union, I agree with a lot of your comments about rural areas, especially in British Columbia, where you have sawmills and pulp mills and pulp and paper mills, which I worked on when I was younger, in a much younger time period of my life. Can you comment on how important it is that we look at wood and its different usage now?