I'll just make one final comment.
Focusing on where the demand is coming from, again, we are producers of energy. If customers can demand and if they have technologies to consume lower-carbon energy, hydrogen trucks as an example or sustainable aviation fuels that can be consumed by aircraft, that also will help. This is an end-to-end conversation. It is about supply. It is about demand. It is about distribution. It's looking across each part of that value chain to help accelerate the absorption of lower-carbon energy.