Okay, so there's no relationship. I just find it interesting, because on our corporate list, you are listed as a subsidiary of Sinar Mas.
I'm going to go back to Shanghai. We don't know whether Mr. Wijaya is there. We don't know where his office is. We're told that his office is in the Sinar Mas building there. We have an APP employee, who says:
[He] believes it crucial and urgent that people in North America—especially regulators and politicians—know more about Asia Pulp & Paper and Paper Excellence, the rapid expansion of the Wijaya family’s private business empire into the Americas, and its growing control of the pulp and paper industry and the forests that feed it.
We're talking about a man who solely owns the mills and 22 million hectares of natural resource products, and he is the man who is too busy to come and explain himself to the Canadian people.
I put to you that you are undermining questions of credibility if he won't even come and explain how his family controls this market, controls Asia Pulp & Paper, controls Sinar Mas and whether this is a fibre grab of Canadian operations to feed the Chinese machine.