Mr. Chair, I'll take that question.
There's no relation between APP and Sinar Mas and Paper Excellence. At the beginning, we recognized that, when Jackson Wijaya built the company, he used some or just a bit of resources to build his company. Since that time, we haven't had any interaction with APP. Some of the facts are clear, but some of the rumours that we can read back and forth in the papers are, I'll say, different from the facts.
I'll switch into French now for an example.
The emails that people are referring to are recent—from 2018 and 2019. They were exchanged between Fibre Excellence, which is the French company of which I am president, and Asia Pulp and Paper, or APP. The purpose of the emails was to determine whether APP was interested in purchasing a new product that we had to bring to market. I repeat, these are emails between a customer and a supplier, and they did not aim to control prices and volumes.