Okay.
Ms. Petrunic, you mentioned that government should play a role as a convenor and as an investor. The investor aspect is what I want to follow up on.
Ms. Smith also talked about incentivizing actors in the economy. It sounds very much like the same thing.
I'm wondering if first, Ms. Petrunic, you can give us further examples of those types of investments. Perhaps Ms. Smith can add to that as well.