The first company you're talking about is my telecommunications company. That's telMAX. TelMAX has been the fastest high speed in Canada for the last two years. I raised the money from a Nova Infrastructure fund and from the Robinson family in the U.S. Nova Infrastructure is a $13-billion company, and it got its money from the Canada pension plan.
Ridiculously, when I approached the Canada pension plan and the other pensions, they wouldn't fund telMAX, but they would definitely give the money to a firm in the U.S. that would now buy telMAX and now owns 85% of the telcos.