I think the incredible work that Exxon did in the 1970s and 1980s on climate science, which was absolutely cutting-edge, creates enormous dissonance for people in the petroleum industry now, because it was stated, it was shared and it was known. Then it was consciously and systematically disavowed and undermined. We are still living in that era of greenwashing, gaslighting and disavowal. It's causing enormous harm.
It really doesn't matter whether the fire starts from an ATV or an arsonist when the climate has been altered to the point that it holds and reflects heat that much more powerfully. I could have thrown a match on the forest in the 1980s and I might have lit the forest up, but I wasn't going to get temperatures of 500°C. I was not going to get a firestorm. I was not going to get a fire tornado like the one they had in Redding, California. It was an EF3 fire tornado. There are photographs in the book, if you want to see what that does. It looked like Nagasaki when I walked that ground.
That's what's different. We have to realize that, as humans, we make a difference. The fossil fuel industry—which is a fire industry and a CO2 industry—has made a difference in our climate.