That's what Ted's doing.
Evidence of meeting #78 for Natural Resources in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was point.
A recording is available from Parliament.
Evidence of meeting #78 for Natural Resources in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was point.
A recording is available from Parliament.
12:35 p.m.
An hon. member
That's what Ted's doing.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal George Chahal
I'll ask everybody to hold on for just a second. I'm going to talk to the clerk.
Once again, the member asked to be heard. That's Monsieur Simard. We previously voted to have the speaking order. The committee voted to proceed with that, and then Monsieur Simard asked to be heard.
I'm not sure what's unclear from a procedural standpoint, but he has the floor for a motion to be heard. If he wishes to choose that way, that's where we are.
You had a point of order on procedure. Is there—
12:35 p.m.
Conservative
Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB
No. My point of order is not on procedure.
We already had a motion here to challenge the chair. That motion was defeated. The motion was whether we were going to uphold your ruling on the speaking order. The majority of the committee decided to uphold your ruling.
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Conservative
Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB
There's no need, then, to have further discussion on who speaks next, because the committee has already made that decision. This request is out of order.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal George Chahal
As the chair of the committee, I've spoken with the clerk. Procedurally, every member has the right to be heard and to bring forward a motion to the floor to be heard.
Mr. Simard is in his rights, as a committee member, to be heard if he chooses to be heard. He put the motion on the floor. He has every right to that in this committee. He has that ability, just as everybody else does. He had the floor. He asked to be heard. If he wants to proceed in that challenge to the chair to be heard, he has the right to do so.
That's my ruling as chair, based on parliamentary procedure.
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An hon. member
So now we vote.
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An hon. member
It's non-debatable.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal George Chahal
It's non-debatable. We will proceed....
Do you have a point of order?
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Conservative
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Liberal
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Conservative
Earl Dreeshen Conservative Red Deer—Mountain View, AB
That's right.
To the clerk, is the motion to be heard that was just presented by Mr. Simard debatable or not debatable? Because I am prepared to debate that, if—
12:40 p.m.
An hon. member
He's asking the clerk.
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Conservative
Earl Dreeshen Conservative Red Deer—Mountain View, AB
If the clerk has indicated to you that this is the case—
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal George Chahal
It's non-debatable. The clerk has indicated to me that it's non-debatable.
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Conservative
Earl Dreeshen Conservative Red Deer—Mountain View, AB
Then when anyone is speaking, we can move a motion to be heard at any time.
That's all I wanted to know. I just wanted to know how this committee was going to be run in the future.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal George Chahal
Procedurally, it is non-debatable. You raised a point of order. I think we've addressed your point of order.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal George Chahal
We'll now proceed to the question at hand. Monsieur Simard would like to be heard as the next speaker.
I will leave it up to the committee to vote that way. We'll proceed to a recorded vote.
12:40 p.m.
Conservative
Shannon Stubbs Conservative Lakeland, AB
Maybe, just given the confusion earlier on the other side, you could clarify the question again. There was a lot of talking.