Evidence of meeting #78 for Natural Resources in the 44th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was point.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Matthew Holmes  Senior Vice President, Policy and Government Relations, Canadian Chamber of Commerce
Bryan Detchou  Senior Director, Natural Resources, Environment and Sustainability, Canadian Chamber of Commerce
Jonathan Arnold  Research Director, Clean Growth, Canadian Climate Institute
Bea Bruske  President, Canadian Labour Congress
Heather Exner-Pirot  Senior Fellow and Director, Energy, Natural Resources and Environment Program, Macdonald-Laurier Institute
Dan Wicklum  Co-Chair, Net-Zero Advisory Body
Daniel Cloutier  Québec Director, Unifor Québec
Alex Callahan  National Director, Health, Safety and Environment, Canadian Labour Congress
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Patrick Williams

An hon. member

That's what Ted's doing.

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12:35 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

The point of order is—

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The Chair Liberal George Chahal

I'll ask everybody to hold on for just a second. I'm going to talk to the clerk.

Once again, the member asked to be heard. That's Monsieur Simard. We previously voted to have the speaking order. The committee voted to proceed with that, and then Monsieur Simard asked to be heard.

I'm not sure what's unclear from a procedural standpoint, but he has the floor for a motion to be heard. If he wishes to choose that way, that's where we are.

You had a point of order on procedure. Is there—

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12:35 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

No. My point of order is not on procedure.

We already had a motion here to challenge the chair. That motion was defeated. The motion was whether we were going to uphold your ruling on the speaking order. The majority of the committee decided to uphold your ruling.

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The Chair Liberal George Chahal

Yes.

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Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

There's no need, then, to have further discussion on who speaks next, because the committee has already made that decision. This request is out of order.

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The Chair Liberal George Chahal

Mr. Falk, it's not—

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12:35 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

It absolutely is.

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The Chair Liberal George Chahal

As the chair of the committee, I've spoken with the clerk. Procedurally, every member has the right to be heard and to bring forward a motion to the floor to be heard.

Mr. Simard is in his rights, as a committee member, to be heard if he chooses to be heard. He put the motion on the floor. He has every right to that in this committee. He has that ability, just as everybody else does. He had the floor. He asked to be heard. If he wants to proceed in that challenge to the chair to be heard, he has the right to do so.

That's my ruling as chair, based on parliamentary procedure.

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An hon. member

So now we vote.

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The Chair Liberal George Chahal

We proceed to a vote.

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An hon. member

It's non-debatable.

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The Chair Liberal George Chahal

It's non-debatable. We will proceed....

Do you have a point of order?

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12:35 p.m.

Conservative

Earl Dreeshen Conservative Red Deer—Mountain View, AB

I do have a point of order.

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The Chair Liberal George Chahal

Can you stick to the procedural point, please? There's no debate.

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12:35 p.m.

Conservative

Earl Dreeshen Conservative Red Deer—Mountain View, AB

That's right.

To the clerk, is the motion to be heard that was just presented by Mr. Simard debatable or not debatable? Because I am prepared to debate that, if—

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The Chair Liberal George Chahal

It's not debatable.

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An hon. member

He's asking the clerk.

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12:40 p.m.

Conservative

Earl Dreeshen Conservative Red Deer—Mountain View, AB

If the clerk has indicated to you that this is the case—

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The Chair Liberal George Chahal

It's non-debatable. The clerk has indicated to me that it's non-debatable.

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12:40 p.m.

Conservative

Earl Dreeshen Conservative Red Deer—Mountain View, AB

Then when anyone is speaking, we can move a motion to be heard at any time.

That's all I wanted to know. I just wanted to know how this committee was going to be run in the future.

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The Chair Liberal George Chahal

Procedurally, it is non-debatable. You raised a point of order. I think we've addressed your point of order.

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12:40 p.m.

Conservative

Earl Dreeshen Conservative Red Deer—Mountain View, AB

Okay.

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The Chair Liberal George Chahal

We'll now proceed to the question at hand. Monsieur Simard would like to be heard as the next speaker.

I will leave it up to the committee to vote that way. We'll proceed to a recorded vote.

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12:40 p.m.

Conservative

Shannon Stubbs Conservative Lakeland, AB

Maybe, just given the confusion earlier on the other side, you could clarify the question again. There was a lot of talking.

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