Thank you for that exchange.
Colleagues, we're going to go on to our second round.
If it is the will of the committee and the members who are in slots four and five, I'm going to suggest the last three speakers, Mr. Simard, Mr. Rowe and Mr. Hogan, have two and a half minutes each. We have an in camera item to deal with, and we need to take a little pause in order to go in camera. I wonder if that would be acceptable to committee members.