Evidence of meeting #36 for Official Languages in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was statistics.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Jean-Paul Perreault  President, Impératif français
Ilze Epners  President, Quebec English Literacy Alliance
Roderick MacLeod  Director, Quebec Protestant Education Research Project
Guy Rodgers  Executive Director, English Language Arts Network
Jean-Rodrigue Paré  Committee Researcher

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Guy Lauzon

You have 30 seconds, Mr. Perreault.

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President, Impératif français

Jean-Paul Perreault

First, I'm going to insist, once again, in view of the linguistic asymmetry, on the need to develop a federal language policy based on the promotion of French, providing the resources to achieve results. That's absolutely necessary.

Second, I recommend that numbers henceforth be considered as a central indicator in measuring the results of federal policies. There won't be the least amount of vitality in the minority language communities if we don't proceed in this manner. Numbers must be central to measuring results.

The other recommendation is obviously that we ensure that the Canadian government stops putting the two languages on the same footing. There is an asymmetry. At the outset, the thinking must always be done taking the asymmetry between the two linguistic situations for granted. At all times, this asymmetry will have to be compensated for by additional resources, policies, directives and programs.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Guy Lauzon

Thank you, Mr. Perreault.

If I understand correctly, Ms. Boucher and Mr. Lemieux will be sharing the five minutes reserved for the Conservatives?

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Conservative

Sylvie Boucher Conservative Beauport—Limoilou, QC

Yes.

Good morning, everyone. I'm pleased that you're here today and to see how interesting the discussion is, although it's also a little confused. Everyone was a little lost at one point or another.

I'd like to go back to your table, Mr. Perreault, because I have figures that contradict yours.

In Quebec, as regards the Anglophone population, you advanced the figure of 590,000 Anglophones, whereas my sources tell me there are 918,000.

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President, Impératif français

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Conservative

Sylvie Boucher Conservative Beauport—Limoilou, QC

In Quebec, there are 918,955 Anglophones in the official language minority.

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President, Impératif français

Jean-Paul Perreault

You say 918,000?

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Conservative

Sylvie Boucher Conservative Beauport—Limoilou, QC

Exactly. Those are the figures I have in hand here.

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Conservative

Luc Harvey Conservative Louis-Hébert, QC

Those are Statistics Canada's figures.

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Conservative

Sylvie Boucher Conservative Beauport—Limoilou, QC

My friend the analyst provided them to me.

In Ontario, the linguistic minority, that is to say the French-language minority, comprises 527,710 Francophones. There are a number of things—

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President, Impératif français

Jean-Paul Perreault

You say there are 527,000 in Ontario?

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Conservative

Sylvie Boucher Conservative Beauport—Limoilou, QC

Yes. Wait. My glasses are fine; that's what I have here.

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President, Impératif français

Jean-Paul Perreault

The statistics you have...

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Conservative

Sylvie Boucher Conservative Beauport—Limoilou, QC

This is entitled: “Minority population by province or territory [...]”.

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President, Impératif français

Jean-Paul Perreault

Yes. And by mother tongue, language knowledge—

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Conservative

Sylvie Boucher Conservative Beauport—Limoilou, QC

Official language minorities.

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President, Impératif français

Jean-Paul Perreault

Pardon me, Ms. Boucher, but no.

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Conservative

Sylvie Boucher Conservative Beauport—Limoilou, QC

Fine, all right.

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Jean-Rodrigue Paré Committee Researcher

It's very simple. In offering its services, the federal government relies on the first official language spoken criterion—

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Conservative

Sylvie Boucher Conservative Beauport—Limoilou, QC

Precisely.

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Committee Researcher

Jean-Rodrigue Paré

—which isn't the same thing as mother tongue.

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President, Impératif français

Jean-Paul Perreault

So that's language knowledge.

February 1st, 2007 / 10:40 a.m.

Committee Researcher

Jean-Rodrigue Paré

No, it's not knowledge, it's the first official language spoken. That may be the mother tongue, but not necessarily. That means, for example, that, in Quebec, given the large percentage of immigrants—

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Conservative

Sylvie Boucher Conservative Beauport—Limoilou, QC

Correct. Who speak French.

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Committee Researcher

Jean-Rodrigue Paré

... for whom English is the first language spoken, as a result of which the statistics on mother tongue don't accurately reflect the situation of Anglophones in Quebec. So the federal government relies on the first official language spoken criterion.