You see, that is the aspect I am interested in. We are talking about allegations, we are hearing what such and such a person might have said.
For example, in the case of the linesman, Mr. Cormier, he was asked if he had clearly seen Mr. Doan say that. He was under oath and he said yes. He was asked if he reported that fact to the head referee or to the person in the penalty box. Mr. Cormier answered that the two referees were there. When he was asked if he was facing Mr. Doan when Mr. Doan said that, he replied that he was right beside him. Finally, when he was asked how far he was away from him, he replied with a gesture like this.