Evidence of meeting #15 for Official Languages in the 40th Parliament, 2nd session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was students.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

David Brennick  President, National Board of Directors, Canadian Parents for French
Silvia Faitelson-Weiser  Professor, Department of Languages, Linguistics and Translation, Laval University

10:15 a.m.

Professor, Department of Languages, Linguistics and Translation, Laval University

Silvia Faitelson-Weiser

Your daughter was not incompetent to teach French, but she was not certified to teach in Ontario, as teaching falls under provincial jurisdiction. We train excellent teachers, but accreditation is given by the Department of Education of Quebec. In my humble opinion, there should be specific agreements that apply to language teachers. If there isn't any specific agreement, Ontario cannot recognize teachers who were trained in Quebec. Similarly, Quebec does not recognize teachers trained in British Columbia, etc.

The situation is different and varies from one province to the next in terms of sciences; but as regards languages, I think we would all be doing one another a favour if we were to agree... I know that there are certain agreements, but those agreements must be specific agreements between provincial departments of education.

Lise Zarac Liberal LaSalle—Émard, QC

Thank you.

Ms. Faitelson-Weiser, you talked about the Explore program and said that funding would be reduced this year. Are your quotas the reason for this, or has funding for the program been decreased?

10:20 a.m.

Professor, Department of Languages, Linguistics and Translation, Laval University

Silvia Faitelson-Weiser

According to what we were told, the quotas were reduced because there was less money, or perhaps because the costs increased. I do not know.

Lise Zarac Liberal LaSalle—Émard, QC

Was funding cut because you have fewer students?

10:20 a.m.

Professor, Department of Languages, Linguistics and Translation, Laval University

Silvia Faitelson-Weiser

Everyone has seen a drop in their quotas.

Lise Zarac Liberal LaSalle—Émard, QC

In your opinion, the program is necessary in order to deepen—

10:20 a.m.

Professor, Department of Languages, Linguistics and Translation, Laval University

Silvia Faitelson-Weiser

It is still useful, but it is not enough. As I already stated, not everyone has the ability to travel for five weeks. Throughout North America, the definition of student is changing.

Lise Zarac Liberal LaSalle—Émard, QC

Do you agree that funding for the Explore program has been cut back?

10:20 a.m.

Professor, Department of Languages, Linguistics and Translation, Laval University

Lise Zarac Liberal LaSalle—Émard, QC

In that case, what would you suggest as an alternative?

10:20 a.m.

Professor, Department of Languages, Linguistics and Translation, Laval University

Silvia Faitelson-Weiser

I would suggest an increase in funding.

Lise Zarac Liberal LaSalle—Émard, QC

And you would keep the program.

10:20 a.m.

Professor, Department of Languages, Linguistics and Translation, Laval University

Lise Zarac Liberal LaSalle—Émard, QC

You would maintain the Explore program, with increased funding, to provide a greater number of students with the opportunity to speak the language. It is by practising a language that one becomes more fluent.

10:20 a.m.

Professor, Department of Languages, Linguistics and Translation, Laval University

Lise Zarac Liberal LaSalle—Émard, QC

Thank you.

10:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

Thank you, Ms. Zarac.

Mr. Nadeau.

Richard Nadeau Bloc Gatineau, QC

I believe that our Conservative friends have the floor, for the third round.

10:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

Indeed.

Mr. Petit, you have the floor.

10:20 a.m.

Conservative

Daniel Petit Conservative Charlesbourg—Haute-Saint-Charles, QC

Thank you very much.

My question is for Mr. Brennick or Ms. Faitelson-Weiser.

How much time do I have?

10:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

You have five minutes.

10:20 a.m.

Conservative

Daniel Petit Conservative Charlesbourg—Haute-Saint-Charles, QC

Thank you very much.

My questions are for Mr. Brennick or Ms. Faitelson-Weiser. I will talk to you about my own experience. I was an immigrant when I first arrived in Quebec, and my first language was not French. Therefore, I had to learn French. When I arrived in Canada, I was 10 years old. I took the classical course, wherein they taught mostly Greek and Latin. Greek is still spoken today, but Latin has become a dead language. We had access to far fewer English courses than religion courses. I was in this system for 12 years and then I attended CEGEP. CEGEPs were just being instituted, and the English courses available were still as rare as during the time I spent in classical studies.

I then entered Laval University to study law. I was surprised to see that all of my books were bilingual. In law, nothing is exclusively in French or in English. There were approximately 300 students who had graduated at the same time, since the CEGEPs had eliminated one year of study. In that class, there were anglophone students from other provinces, but the majority came from Quebec, and we all attended classes in English and in French. All of my law books, cases, federal statutes, and the Criminal Code were in both French and English.

When I left university, I went before the courts. You are undoubtedly aware that in Quebec, proceedings are in both French and English, regardless of the situation. Under its constitution, judicial proceedings are bilingual in New Brunswick. At the federal level, the same principle applies. At the Bar, an agreement was signed that allows Quebec lawyers to plead in Ontario in cases that involve federal legislation, such as the Bankruptcy and Insolvency Act, or the Criminal Code.

The committee would like to see you provide assistance. There seems to be a problem regarding bilingualism within the federal public service. Ms. Faitelson-Weiser said earlier that she went to go to meet a minister in a federal building. She wanted to be able to speak French, but she had to address the employees in English. As you said, Mr. Brennick, people must be sent the message that French is useful.

The situation is such that we must adopt laws that underscore the usefulness of French. In my province, there is Bill 101. The law is being used to impose a language because the situation seems to be deteriorating. Things shouldn't have to go to that extreme. The Official Languages Act was adopted in 1968, and applies to institutions.

Mr. Brennick, you addressed a subject that is particularly compelling for me. You work on both sides. We parliamentarians want to assist linguistic groups living in a minority situation in Quebec. I hope that you are familiar with Quebec, you have travelled there. How can we encourage anglophones to study French, without having to send them to study in an English environment and then lose them? Do you understand what I'm saying? There are 14,000 anglophones in Quebec.

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

Mr. Petit, you have less than one minute to allow the witness to respond.

10:25 a.m.

Conservative

Daniel Petit Conservative Charlesbourg—Haute-Saint-Charles, QC

Did you understand my question? I'd like Ms. Faitelson-Weiser to answer afterwards.

10:25 a.m.

President, National Board of Directors, Canadian Parents for French