Departments that have moved forward are the Department of Public Works and Government Services Canada and the Department of Fisheries and Oceans Canada. We are talking about institutions and specific actions. You can literally see the leadership of a deputy minister whenever there is a success. That is why I stress the importance of leadership. Clearly, there is a lack of overall leadership in this regard, otherwise there wouldn't be this—
On November 4th, 2010. See this statement in context.