Evidence of meeting #31 for Official Languages in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was acoa.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Peter Sylvester  Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Denise Frenette  Vice-President, Finance and Corporate Services, Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency
Wade Aucoin  Acting Director General, Community Developpment, Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency
Yves Saint-Germain  Director, Information, Language and Community Program Policy, Department of Citizenship and Immigration Canada

10:25 a.m.

Acting Director General, Community Developpment, Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency

Wade Aucoin

Both of them do it. The province of New Brunswick will do an evaluation only of the $10 million. We will then have specific results for the $10 million that has been invested in New Brunswick.

A little earlier, Ms. Frenette mentioned that we are also going to include the $10 million in our regular evaluations for all of our programs. In those evaluations, we will probably not see specific results relating directly to that $10 million.

However, we will be including the recipients or beneficiaries of all our initiatives, including those who have benefited from the $10 million, using the methodology designed for the evaluations. Information will be published, but in our case it will not be specific.

10:25 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

For Newfoundland and Labrador, $400,000 has been allocated and $150,000 has been spent; $150,000 is not a lot.

Is there a shortage of officials or agents capable of helping the communities move forward and implement their projects? They must have projects for more than $150,000, since that figure is a drop in Chaleur Bay. It is not even a drop; make it half a drop.

Under part VII of the act, you are responsible for promoting the official languages. Usually it says "where numbers warrant", but part VII does not say that. So you have a responsibility to promote both official languages.

10:25 a.m.

Acting Director General, Community Developpment, Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency

Wade Aucoin

As I mentioned in my earlier answer, all indications we have received up to now concerning these projects in Newfoundland and Labrador and the others that we are directly responsible for are that disbursing the full amount is not going to be a problem.

10:25 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Four hundred thousand dollars is not a lot. You have only disbursed $150,000. Why? Have there been delays because of a shortage of agents in Newfoundland and Labrador?

10:25 a.m.

Vice-President, Finance and Corporate Services, Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency

Denise Frenette

As a general rule, we see that when it comes to disbursements, there are in fact delays in the program, and there are efforts to be made in terms of catching up on spending. We are also in a good position to confirm that the money will be spent by the end of the program.

I agree: $400,000 is in fact not a lot. But francophones in Newfoundland and Labrador make up a very small population. We are talking about 0.4% francophones.

10:25 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Under part VII, you are supposed to spend money and promote the languages. You are again coming back to the fact that there are not many francophones and there is not much money to spend. You are supposed to promote the official languages.

10:30 a.m.

Vice-President, Finance and Corporate Services, Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency

Denise Frenette

I meant that they have in fact mobilized very well if they were able to...

10:30 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

To get $150,000.

10:30 a.m.

Vice-President, Finance and Corporate Services, Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency

Denise Frenette

It is not $150,000; it is $400,000, 15% of the funds that were available. Those are not the only projects they may have received funding from; they may also have been funded under ACOA's regular programs.

Certainly we promote the official languages and we work actively with those communities. In every province of Atlantic Canada, under section 41 of the Official Languages Act, we have a coordinator who makes specific efforts. They devote their time to doing promotion, working with the communities, and there is a person in Newfoundland and Labrador, as in all the other provinces in the Atlantic region, in addition to our business agents and our networks on site.

10:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Michael Chong

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Godin.

Mr. Williamson.

10:30 a.m.

Conservative

John Williamson Conservative New Brunswick Southwest, NB

Mr. Sylvester, I've done some quick math here, based on your numbers. Going back to 2010—and I realize you have updated numbers—just under 2% of French-speaking immigrants were settling outside of Quebec. Is that correct?

10:30 a.m.

Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Peter Sylvester

I'm not sure what numbers you're referring to. I'm sorry.

10:30 a.m.

Conservative

John Williamson Conservative New Brunswick Southwest, NB

For 2010, statistics indicate that 1.5%, or 3,481 permanent residents admitted to Canada outside of Quebec in 2010 were French-speaking immigrants. Where do those immigrants end up primarily?

10:30 a.m.

Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Peter Sylvester

For the most part they end up in Ontario. I think about 70% go to Ontario and the rest are dispersed to other places. We may be able to provide you with a more detailed breakdown of that if you like.

10:30 a.m.

Conservative

John Williamson Conservative New Brunswick Southwest, NB

In Ontario, can you be more precise? Do they go to Toronto specifically?

10:30 a.m.

Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Peter Sylvester

My colleague is telling me he has this on the tip of his finger, so maybe he should—

10:30 a.m.

Conservative

John Williamson Conservative New Brunswick Southwest, NB

That's fine.

10:30 a.m.

Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Peter Sylvester

Ottawa is second.

10:30 a.m.

Director, Information, Language and Community Program Policy, Department of Citizenship and Immigration Canada

Yves Saint-Germain

Besides Toronto, Ottawa is the destination of choice for francophone immigrants. But we also have immigrants going north to Sudbury, North Bay, and places like that.

10:30 a.m.

Conservative

John Williamson Conservative New Brunswick Southwest, NB

In another paragraph it says a big challenge has been raising the number of French-speaking immigrants in regions outside of Quebec. I'm assuming that's because the decision to move to a new country is a big one. It's a new culture and a new system of government, and perhaps there is no family or ties of community. If you throw in language, that's another alienating influence or factor.

Do you feel that your aim of 4.4% is attainable? How do you feel that number can be reached?

10:30 a.m.

Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Peter Sylvester

I suppose, Mr. Chair, I'd offer in response to that first a comment on what you've put your finger on in terms of the challenges. Yes, indeed, for francophone immigrants considering a move to a country like Canada, while our prosperity and the society we have is attracting immigrants from around the world, the language barrier is a real hurdle for them. This is why primarily francophone immigrants are attracted to the province of Quebec, where they will indeed have challenges, but nowhere near as acute perhaps as in other parts of the country.

What we're trying to do is work with the receiving communities to make sure those services that we are making available are well known to prospective immigrants so that they'll see that they have the support they need for general orientation and language training as well. There are beautiful parts of the country as well, where we have French language minority communities settling, and we're looking at nurturing and increasing the vitality of those communities.

With respect to the attainability of the target, the target was set in collaboration with a number of parties when we were working on the overall strategy, including the FCFA, and together we've collaborated on establishing this target. It was set presumably as a fairly high bar but one that we thought was attainable. Based on the results we've achieved to date, which are quite encouraging, it suggests that we're on track to do that.

I don't think we can, by any means, rest on our laurels. There's still an awful lot of effort needed. I think if we work with these networks and we work increasingly with the hosting communities and make linkages among those communities, employers, and all the settlement services there, we'll be able to do a better job of attracting francophone and minority groups to those communities.

10:35 a.m.

Conservative

John Williamson Conservative New Brunswick Southwest, NB

As a follow-up, and correct me if I'm wrong, much of the decision really comes down to the individual, where that person would like to live, which is as it should be. Are there mechanisms in place where your department is able to shoehorn people into different parts of the country? If so, what are they? If not, that's understandable as well, I think.

10:35 a.m.

Director, Information, Language and Community Program Policy, Department of Citizenship and Immigration Canada

Yves Saint-Germain

The immigration system, as you know, is quite complex. We have different categories. The principal applicant decides to choose where he wants to settle. We also have the family class, which is a huge pull factor in terms of bringing in relatives from a similar country—family, friends. That's a huge pull factor for those communities. We have those tools. We also have under the refugee program the possibility to resettle refugees across the country.

So all these mechanisms under the immigration system can play out with the collaboration of the key partners—the employers and also the communities.

10:35 a.m.

Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Peter Sylvester

The one thing I would add, Mr. Chair, is working with employers, because employment obviously is a huge draw. The other one, though, that may not be quite so obvious is the post-secondary institutions. If we can target our efforts towards those that offer post-secondary education in French, often there are spin-off benefits to that in employment in those very communities too.

So those are two other opportunities for us to attract.

10:35 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Michael Chong

Thank you.

Mr. Bélanger.