I don't mean to take anything away from Ms. Joly, but she's not the Minister of Canadian Heritage; it's Pablo Rodriguez. It's a bit complicated and it's sad. Mr. Rodriguez is the Minister of Canadian Heritage, Ms. Joly is the Minister of Tourism, Official Languages and La Francophonie, and then there's the Treasury Board.
Regardless of party, which of those three ministers has the most power? Is it Mr. Brison, Mr. Rodriguez or Ms. Joly?