A few weeks ago, our friends from Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada told us they too wanted to hit 4% or 5%, but they could only achieve 1.2%, 1.3%, or 1.4%. What is incredible is that they have a team dedicated to that. So I do not understand how that is possible.
How do you think we can make sure we achieve that 5% target? What would you put in place? What would be the best way to hit that target?